Clinicians and Non-Clinicians…Mutual Trust and Respect

I listened to an interview this morning titled, “Building Clinicians’ and Non-Clinicians’ Trust and Respect”, by Thomas H. Lee, MD, MSc & Laura L. Forese, MD, MPH. It’s about building teamwork and trust within a healthcare organization, particularly between clinicians and non –clinicians at New York- Presbyterian Hospital. The article discusses the absolute need for high performing teams to have trust and mutual respect amongst all members of the team. Listening to this was not only insightful and right on point, but it helped put things in perspective for me as an Operations Director in a healthcare system that is tasked (and challenged) with a very similar initiative.

Where operations is focused on “boring” things like monitoring and reducing cost and measuring outcomes and optimizing operations, the therapists and doctors I work with are pretty much squarely focused on providing the best possible care they can. Though they understand the need for someone like me in the organization, I believe the cold hard truth of the matter is that they wish people like me would just get out of their way and allow them to work with patients and do their job.
Being a relative new comer to healthcare, I never thought that building trust and respect between clinicians and non- clinicians could be such a challenge. I suppose I should have known this “business” was like no other as I was sitting in Michael Porters Value Based Healthcare Class at Harvard Business School with probably some of the most brilliant physicians and healthcare leaders in the world back in January of 2016. Professor Porter was explaining concepts such of risk sharing and activity based costing (a fancy term for knowing where you spend your money) in very, very basic terms. As I sat there I remember asking myself two things; first, why is he explaining such basic material to people who are 100x smarter than I am and second, why are so many in the room so confused and or so resistant to running their “business” this way (which happened to be the only way I know how to run a business)? It all made perfect sense to me and yet I felt like a fish out of water. I acknowledge that medicine is unlike any business. In fact for those of us who believe we should all be given equal access, it can’t be like every other business. Regardless, I also believe that a healthcare system without 1) aligned goals amongst payers, providers and patients, 2) some level of transparency, 3) open competition, 4) accountability and 5) some form of risk sharing is a system that is simply not sustainable. It took someone with Michael Porter’s stature to make this case, and today I understand why.

Clinicians are trained to spend the majority of their waking hours focused on improving the quality of life for the individuals they are treating. They pour their own blood, sweat and tears in to their work and the work they do is arguably the most important work on the planet. They don’t want to burdened with one ounce more of paperwork than what they are absolutely required to do. They don’t want to spend time making sure that the equipment needed to provide the care is not only “the best” to get the job done but also affordable for the organization. They don’t want to waste precious treatment time encouraging patients to complete outcome surveys. They don’t want to spend extra time in an EHR system documenting data that is not necessarily relevant to quality of care but which is incredibly relevant to payers as they try to measure the value patients are receiving. They don’t want to spend precious resource time arguing with payers over medical necessity in order to squeeze out a few extra days of treatment for a patient in need. They hate this piece, and rightfully so. And many of them don’t believe they should share in any of the risk of whether or not their patients’ outcomes are successful.

Some of this will naturally be remedied as healthcare systems shift away from a fee for service model which rewards providers for volume to a value based model which rewards providers for the value they deliver. Some of it is necessary in order to make this much needed transition. And some will likely always be a part of providing care in a world that demands more and more out of all of us every single day.

In order to be on the right side of making care more affordable, more efficient and more accessible to all, an organization must instill a culture which recognizes the value of all constituents within an organization, both clinical and non- clinical. This is mission critical. With this clinicians can focus on doing what they love and what they do best and the rest of us can support them in providing the best possible care and value for patients and their families.

Tom Lee, the brilliant physician and true social revolutionary, does a great job with this interview. It touches on a lot of really great thought provoking insights and challenges. The first time I met Tom he told me and my colleagues that healthcare is in dire need of more people who truly understand and know how to optimize “operations”. I was with a friend who is a black belt in Lean Six Sigma and Tom was impressed (hard to impress Tom so we were thrilled!). The reality is a high performing team requires that all members are trusted, respected and valued for the work they bring. An organizations’ culture must nurture and promote this philosophy from the top down. There is no other way to succeed in today’s world of healthcare. Those who embrace this reality will survive while those who do not will eventually fade away.

Rachel Collins, LCSW
Site Director of Northbrook PHP and IOP

Rachel Collins, LCSW, is the Site Director of SunCloud Health’s Northbrook Partial Hospitalization (PHP) and Intensive Outpatient (IOP) programs for both adolescents and adults. Rachel earned her bachelor’s degree in psychology and went on to complete her master’s degree in social work from Michigan State University. She has since worked in a wide range of settings, including inpatient treatment, PHP/IOP programs, therapeutic group homes, and private practice. Rachel specializes in treating trauma (using Cognitive Processing Therapy) and anxiety, practicing through a relational, compassionate, and client-centered lens. She is passionate about creating a therapeutic space in which clients feel safe and able to explore various parts of themselves with curiosity as opposed to judgement. In addition to her leadership and clinical work, she is passionate about creating art, and learning about the intersection between creativity and mental health.

Kayla Corirossi, MA, LCSW
Site Director, Naperville PHP/IOP (Adolescents & Adults)

Kayla Corirossi, MA, LCSW, is the Site Director of SunCloud Health’s Naperville Partial Hospitalization (PHP) and Intensive Outpatient (IOP) programs for adolescents and adults. She brings extensive experience working with individuals across the lifespan, including adolescents, adults, and geriatric populations, and specializes in the treatment of mood disorders, trauma, substance use, family systems, forensic populations, and individuals in crisis.

Kayla has worked in a wide range of clinical and community settings, including community-based interventions, police crisis response, correctional facilities, inpatient treatment, PHP/IOP programs, and with vulnerable and underserved populations. In addition to her clinical and leadership work, she is passionate about providing mental health education and advocacy within the community.

Kayla earned her Bachelor’s degree with a double major in Psychology and Sociology from Aurora University and went on to complete her Master’s degree in Forensic Social Work, also at Aurora University. Her clinical approach is evidence-based, compassionate, trauma-informed, and integrative, emphasizing collaboration and individualized care.

Driven by a personal mission to meet individuals where they are, Kayla is committed to helping clients feel safe, supported, and understood. She strives to create a natural and empathetic healing environment while ensuring individuals from all backgrounds and identities know they are not alone and have access to meaningful resources and support.

Elizabeth E. Sita, MD
Medical Director of Adult Services
Dr. Elizabeth E. Sita, MD, is a Board Certified psychiatrist specializing in the care of patients with eating disorders. She completed her undergraduate training at the University of Chicago and graduated with Highest Honors. She then earned her medical degree at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and was recognized with the Chairman’s Award for Excellence in Psychiatry. She subsequently completed residency with the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University, where she was elected Chief Resident and received the Resident Psychiatrist Leadership & Service Award. Upon completing her training, Dr. Sita came to Ascension Alexian Brothers Behavioral Health Hospital, where she served as Assistant Medical Director of the Center for Eating Disorders and Director of Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation Services before transitioning to lead the new inpatient eating disorder unit as Medical Director of Eating Disorder Services at Ascension Saint Joseph Hospital – Chicago. In these roles, she has cared for a multitude of adolescents and adults struggling with anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, binge eating disorder, and other eating disorders as well as severe, cooccurring mood, trauma, personality, and substance use disorders. Dr. Sita has been recognized throughout her training and practice for a commitment to excellence in patient care and for her ability to engage patients in their most challenging moments. Her passions include the care of treatment-resistant eating and mood disorders as well as questions of medical capacity and end-of-life decision making. She believes that, first and foremost, human connection is key to mental health and well-being and strives to share this philosophy in each and every patient encounter. She is excited to bring her expertise to SunCloud Health as the Medical Director of Adult Services!   VIDEO: Meet Elizabeth E. Sita, MD, Medical Director of Adult Services  
Lacey Lemke, PsyD
Assistant Vice President of Clinical Services

Dr. Lacey Lemke (she/her) is a licensed clinical health psychologist with specialized expertise in the treatment of eating disorders and the practice of medical and health psychology. She completed her doctoral training in clinical psychology with a Primary Care emphasis at the Adler School of Professional Psychology. Dr. Lemke went on to complete both her predoctoral clinical internship and postdoctoral fellowship through Ascension Health, where she gained advanced training working with individuals experiencing eating disorders and self-injurious behaviors, as well as within pediatric subspecialty settings including endocrinology, neurology, and adolescent medicine.

Dr. Lemke is deeply committed to providing evidence-based, compassionate care and collaborates closely with interdisciplinary teams to ensure comprehensive treatment. Her professional mission is to support patients in achieving their fullest potential by guiding them to the most appropriate level of care and empowering them to make meaningful, sustainable progress toward improved health and well-being.

VIDEO: 2. Meet Lacey Lemke, PsyD.